I have found that there
is a spectrum of two perspectives on Vedic astrology among modern-western
astrologers. On one side there is great respect and praise and on the other
side there is disdain and audible repugnance. This article is specifically for
those on the repugnant side of the spectrum.
There
are two primary issues that the disdainful modern-western astrologer has for
Vedic astrology. The first is the concept of fate. They believe that an
individual has certain color eyes, hair and body shape because of genetics and are
prone to certain diseases because of genetics, and experience negative affects
due to hormonal imbalances. People have negative reactions because of internal interfering
complexes developed when they were children. And people see life through a
certain cultural lense which leads one to choose certain professions and ways
of living. These things are out of the control of the young human being, and a
few of them one hopes to gain a better handle on as they age. A four year old
did not choose how its mother would treat it, nor the body type it has, nor the
genes for its hair color, nor the cultural stigma it is enmeshed within. All
these are ‘fated’ by nature of when and where it was born. Yet to say that
astrology doesn’t show fate is to state that one cannot see these core factors
making a person who they are in a birth chart. And if one cannot see them, then
projecting that others cannot see them.
Vedic
astrology doesn’t say one can’t change their fate. We are born into a certain
situation, in a certain body with certain skill sets due to fate. We have
certain genetic material that predisposes us to certain possibilities. But there
is a whole branch of remedial measures to work with karma, to work with what we
have been given in order to shift our circumstances. The word fate in English
has a sense of doom associated with it. It comes from the Latin past particle
of ‘to speak’- therefore it is what has been spoken or determined. The word for
fate in Sanskrit is daiva which literally means ‘of the gods’ or that which is
of the gods. The gods, seen through the planetary combinations and alignments, indicate
the past action of an individual. Past action indicates the potential future.


If an astrologer has a
client who has had two divorces and they see an afflicted Venus, then the client
can be advised to donate to a women’s shelter to counter the past life’s
actions by helping out suffering women in this life. This karmic remedy allows
inner causal structures to shift and new realms of looking at oneself to arise
which allow the individual to attract a relationship more conducive in the
future. The Vedic sense of fate has many levels of density, it is not set; fate
is what was, and it is what astrologers need to work with to help their
clients. Clients have places they are stuck, places they are disempowered.
Clients have bad habits, addictions, and parts of themselves they struggle
with. As well as parts of their life that are not working. These parts need to
be addressed and cared for.
The
second negative aspect is that many older Indian male astrologers come from a
very different cultural reality than Americans and often say things much more
harshly than Americans are used to. And while I agree that there are still a handful
of these types of astrologers out there it is the fallacy of overgeneralization
to act like all Vedic astrologers are this way, similar thinking that all
modern-western astrologers have crystals balls and suck the money from
hoodwinked housewives by telling them what they want to hear (which many old Indian
astrologers are convinced that all western astrology is). I can list off story
after story of horrible situations people have been put in by Vedic as well as
western astrologers, but then there are also such gruesome stories about
psychologists, psychiatrists and medical doctors.
This article is inspired by an
interaction with a modern-western astrologer (who holds a license in psychology)
who, after making personal criticisms of me, said, “By now, you probably know
that I utterly deplore Vedic astrology, though for reasons that go far beyond
the sidereal zodiac being a historical error. Suffice to say I have zero
respect for anyone that is peddling this poison. At best, you’re in denial.”
His statement made me think of Carl Jung’s concept of shadow. The shadow represents all that we wish to disown within our own psychic life which then embodies its own autonomous energy that breaks through into daily life. In Sanskrit, the shadow self is called the pāpa-puruṣa, and seen as our shadow reflection- our dark opposite. Jung showed how if we deny the shadow, then it gets projected onto others. The more we deny and disown our shadow the more it is everywhere around us. What we dislike or hate in others is how they embody aspects of our own shadow. It is those aspects we cannot accept in our self and so condemn in others. To know our shadow is to look at what we hate in others.
It
is important to know our shadows, so we don’t let them remove our clarity. The
best way to protect a client or anyone else in our life from our shadow is to
be aware of what that shadow is so it doesn’t come out subconsciously (in lack
of awareness). Whether we are hurt from a divorce and so don’t advise people to
get married, or are against abortion and make negative comments when a woman mentions
it, or have money issues and don’t give a rich investor client equal care
because of shadow emotions. These shadow qualities make us lesser astrologers,
and block the all accepting care that is needed in us to heal with our art.
After our personal shadows, there are shadows that arise because of culture.
What falls into ego and
what falls into shadow varies by culture.[1] In
Indian culture, sex is shadow and death is fine to talk about, to predict death
is an important event that you don’t want to miss. To the western mind, death
is in shadow and it’s a horrible things to discuss. Yet westerners are quite
happy to talk about when the next girlfriend will come into one’s life, and
whether to leave the present relationship for something better. Talk about sex
and different relationships is a horrible shadow topic to the traditional Indian.
I have watched people of both perspectives be triggered into angst and disgust
about the way the other talks about sex or death.
Then
there is another important shadow that arises from the power dynamics we hold over
those who wield knowledge over another. Guggenbuhl-Craig discusses shadow power
dynamics in the helping profession, and mentions a pertinent dynamic for
astrologers which can come out when one needs to say hard things to the client.
There are two power dynamics that arise when needing to say hard things to a
client.
In making the hard observations
to the client, one can abuse power by making the observations hurtful. This
belittles the client and uplifts the astrologer. On the other side of that, what
Guggenbuhl-Craig calls the “more dangerous possibility,” is transforming one’s
unpleasant observations about the client into flattery. It may make the client
happy and increase the client’s self-esteem, but it binds the client more
firmly to the therapist who sees value in something no one else can.[2] Then
the client then flatters the astrologer and uplifts their ego, creating a circle
of flattery and no growth. Guggenbuhl-Craig gives the example of labelling an
over dominating woman as having a royal nature, or calling a ruthless egotist a
noble introvert, or calling the lack of respect for one’s aging mother as
liberation from her.[3] And
though we can find either power dynamic in any type of astrologer, certain
types of astrology lend themselves to one form over another based on cultural
biases.
None of us are neutral-
it’s not possible. The way the human mind works and gives meaning to experience
and objects in the world is filtered by culture, gender, race, economic status
and more. I often try to see if I can debate both sides of an argument to test
my bias. But there are so many other factors that can’t be accounted for- just
because I am born at this point in history. Vedic astrology is more family
based and sees the individual as part of a family unit. The views of the
parents and spouse have a huge impact on life and actions. American rugged
individualism is the opposite and preaches individualism. James Hollis says, “Most
of modern-western psychological theories and treatment plans invest heavily in
the fantasy of ego sovereignty and control through cognitive restructuring and behavioural
modification.” [4] The Vedic paradigm does not see ego
sovereignty as a goal or even as something beneficial. We all have a bias based
on culture, our family, parent’s profession, mass media, etc. All of these
factor into the nature of our shadow along with our own specific planetary nature
and the shadows that brings.
If someone thinks they
don’t have shadow, it’s the worst. Everyone has shadow, and the more we know it
the safer we are. The willingness to be accountable to our shadow self allows a
healthy integration of our personality. One where we don’t get angry and make
personal criticisms about someone during an intellectual discussion, or make a
degrading comment to a client that we are unaware of. James Hollis says “One
may make the Shadow conscious and be summoned to humility before its levelling of
ego presumptions, fantasies, [and] inflations.[5]
Shadow awareness makes
us humble. My astrology guru often says, only a saint has no bad habits (ṣaḍripu). Awareness of our
faults makes us compassionate about the faults of others. Awareness of our
shadow makes us clearer within ourselves; we aren’t blinded by our conception
of how things should be. We understand that we exist in an imperfect world,
where malefic planets exist in everyone’s horoscope. This awareness allows us
to see more clearly.
[1] Connie Zweig, Meeting
the Shadow: The Hidden Power of the Dark Side of Human Nature (New York NY:
Jeremy P. Tarcher/Perigee Books, 1991), xvii.
[2] Adolf Guggenbuhl-Craig, Power in the Helping Professions
(Thompson, Connecticut: Spring Publications, 2015), 67.
[3] Ibid.,
68.
[4] James Hollis, “Theogonies and Therapies: A
Jungian Perspective on Humanity’s Dark Side,” in Humanity’s Dark Side: Evil,
Destructive Experience and Psychotherapy. Ed. A. Bohart, B. Held,
E.Mendelowitz, & K. Schneider (Eds.). (Washington, DC: Prepublication draft
copy, 2013), 152.
[5]
Ibid., 147.



Many Western astrologers have a strong background in psychology and use the two together. Vedic astrologers seem blunt and matter of fact. I have come to the conclusion that the reason Western astrologers are so invested in psychology is because their methods for astrology is not very deep, and so have to search for other fields (psychology counseling) to round-out their services. The Vedic astrologer has many more techniques to work with and can see with more accuracy, hence their blunt matter of fact prediction is the consequence of detail accuracy.
ReplyDeleteI agree, but there is still no reason for Vedic astrologers to not learn how to work with clients in a more communicable way. The research on 'common-factors theory' in modern psychology shows that the relationship and how we talk to clients is as important as what we say to them.
ReplyDeleteVedic Astrology was designed for three things Calenders, Life Analysis and Divine Answers for critical questions.
ReplyDeleteCalendars are muhurthas or analysis of time (past, present, future) for any particular event.
Life Analysis is done through Horoscope, Dasha-Bhukti-Antarbhukti (Which are periods, subperiods and sub-subperiods of the native) and Transits of planets.
Answers for critical questions are Prashnamarga, which are not regularly followed now.
Vedic Astrology is not a counselling session and also Hindu religion believes strongly that the almighty (supreme consciousness) doesn't alter any individual's karma (accrued energy), since this karma is the causing factor for our soul to learn and evolve.
Meaning, the astrologer however wise he is, cannot alter the karma or the events which would happen. The astrologer can only tell what the future is lying in store for the individual. Whereas the Guru (who commonly will never be into astrology or maybe not even into religion) will prepare the individual to handle the future with ease, Gurus or teachers normally adapt stoic methods and tune our mind to accept and enjoy whatever the nature throws at us.
Astrology seems unparalleled and unique experiences, knowledge of several types of astrology including Vedic and traditional British astrology allows her to compare and contrast aspects of a persons chart which manifest in a profoundly accurate reading.
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Yes. This was interesting reading.the bottom line difference between vedic and western paradyms...is rebirth and karma.and goal of liberation. Even thpugh wrstern astrology tries to incorporate concepts of karma..it is often in a superficial way..looking at south node for example or 12 th house. Vedic astrology understands the fundamental truth.that ALL the birth chart is karma..has to be faced. Free will is an illusion in the western sense that you can make any choice not prigramned by that past cause. Impossible! So for Vedic understanding tine of death is VERY important..ones next karmic blueprint is set in that final moment. The working out of bhogas (enjoyments) in thus temporary body like sex and romantic love..of of minor importance. Marriage and offspring are important in terms of paying off karmic debt.
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